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(ASCEND) "Free" Software vs. Licensed (was "analyse RADIUS logs")




        Bob Tanner wrote:

>> > Since I am an ISP we are almost totally Unix. Where is the Unix
>> > software support?

        and Dale E. Reed Jr. replied:

>> There are two REALLY different markets.  Most UNIX people are [sic]
>> willing to put out money for software.  They want their LINUX
>> for nothing and their tools for free.  How can Ascend make 
>> money there?  Now on the NT market, people are willing to put
>> money into products, so there IS a viable market for selling
>> products on windoze.

>> We sell only WindowsNT products (clients run on Win95) and
>> have a lot of UNIX people coming over to our products because
>> its basically turn-key supported products they don't have to
>> compile and muck around with.

        then, Julian Cowley chimed in:

>Ok, I'll go and forget that I ever had Netscape or Acrobat Reader (or even
>Livingston's pminstall) on my SGIs, Suns and Linuxen....  How can Ascend
>make money there?

        Well, it is obvious that Dale makes money selling software
        which would not even exist if not for the original (public
        domain) Radius.  Dale should be forgiven for having a vested 
        interest in promoting the one platform for which he has a 
        product.  Much like Ascend's "supported version" of Radius, 
        Dale's Radius most likely:

                a)  Costs money (one would presume that the customer
                    is paying for the "added value", not the freely
                    available baseline Radius code, but this is not
                    known to me)

                b)  Is supported by the vendor (as opposed to being
                    supported by the usual consortium of users and
                    contributors to a gnu or other public domain
                    work)

        For some customers, this appears to be an advantage.

        The contention made by Dale - that "Unix" means "Linux", and 
        all Unix software must be "free" to have "market share" confuses
        many issues:
        
                1)  Unix has been very very good to many people, myself
                    included.  So (was) MVS.  So has Windows in all 
                    flavors, but less-so given that it is rather hard
                    to sell a $200K application to run on a $5K engine.
                    Rather large checks still come in the mail every 
                    month from happy customers who paid (and are still 
                    paying) significant license fees for significant 
                    software that runs under Unix.  Don't try to claim 
                    that people who run Unix are not willing to shell out
serious piles of small green pieces of paper for tools 
                    and software.  It is simply untrue.

                2)  While it is clear that the internet is overwhelmingly
                    Unix-based, this is not because the software is free.
                    It is because things work this way.  In the hands of an 
                    experienced professional, things work first time and
                    every time.

                3)  While public domain applications, combined with 
                    built-in Unix facilities dominate the market for 
                    internet infrastructure, this is NOT because they 
                    are "free".  It is because they are BETTER SUPPORTED
                    than the commercial products.  How so?  Simple.

                        3a)  Product selection is made less problematic,
                             based upon the theory that a hundred (or
                             a thousand) of your fellow professionals
                             simply cannot all be wrong.  Any known
                             bugs or problems can be reviewed up front
                             by checking the mass of FAQs, mailing list
                             archives, and so on.

                        3b)  Product support is made pain-free, since one
                             can bet that someone else has run into the
                             same question/problem that you have run into,
                             and you can follow the adage "Ask, And Ye
                             Shall Receive".  It has always been thus,
                             it will always be thus, both now and forever.

                             Commercialization of the net is a recent fad,
                             and this too will pass.  The net was built via
                             standards and cooperation.  If the interlopers
                             think that they can "get rich quick" think that
                             they know better, good for them.  I for one
                             have no intention of ignoring a fellow 
                             professional's request for assistance, since I
                             (like everyone) have benefited much more than 
                             I have contributed.
                        
                        3c)  Public domain software comes with SOURCE CODE.
                             One is not a prisoner of a vendor's revision
                             cycles and mixed agendas.  If you want to add
                             or modify, you can.  This goes right down from
                             the application to the Unix kernel, since even
                             commercial vendors of Unix DO have the ability
                             to license the source code, and have had this
                             ability since day one.

                4)  There are platform alternatives. "Linux on Pentium boxes" 
                    is a very recent experiment in the grand scheme of things,
                    so the jury is still out.  While there are many small
                    operations who think that a pair of Linux boxes are all
                    they need to get into the ISP business, many of them at 
                    least "graduate" to SCO Unix at some point.  Small 
                    shoestring operations are never a good market for a
                    software vendor, since they simply lack capital.  It is
                    true that this small segment of the market appears large,
                    since this group is the most vocal when crying for help
                    on the mailing lists and in the newsgroups.  "Linux for
                    nothing, and tools for free" is a cute pun on the song,
                    but much like the original song, it is the anthem of a
"flash-in-the-pan" group.
                    
               5)   Attempts have been made to create internet servers on
                    Windows NT.  While this may seem like a great idea,
                    one would hope that at least Microsoft Network would
                    have put its network where its mouth is, and use 
                    Microsoft's product.  Humorously, they only recently        
                    stopped using Unix (in at least the most obvious places)
                    and started using NT at all.  They still do not use the 
                    product that Microsoft wishes to market to other ISPs.

                        Web Week, July 21, 1997 - Page 26:

                        "Curiously, MSN doesn't use the Microsoft commercial
                        Internet System (MCIS), a suite of communications
                        servers marketed to ISPs, which Microsoft has said
                        is based upon the server software developed for MSN."

                   I for one, am not going to trust a product that cannot
                   even be sold to a captive customer.  If MSN won't use
                   Microsoft's product, why should we?
                
               6)  There is a great push from recent arrivals, wannabes,
                   and "suits" with no sense of history or perspective
                   to try to make running an internet site something 
                   that can be done by inexperienced/untrained personnel.  

                   This is not because there is a lack of trained 
                   professionals, but only because the "suits" do not
                   want to pay $150K a year to some "long-haired, drug
                   crazed hippy" who happens to be very very very good
                   at what he/she does.  What these folks fail to understand
                   is that the internet is very much a moving target, and
                   moving targets require skilled sharpshooters and snipers.
                   Good sharpshooters and snipers cost good money, and demand
                   highly customized handcrafted weapons.

                   The "solution" being marketed to these folks is a mix of
                   GUI front-ends and canned scripts.  What these 
                   customers do not realize is that these "simplified"
                   products simply cannot solve the problem, since the
                   "problem" is the need for a basic understanding of a
                   wide range of areas.  Therefore, the customers for
                   these products (perhaps) can handle the day-to-day
                   repetitive tasks (which are likely handled by cron jobs
                   on a system run by competent personnel) with these
                   GUI-based systems, but have no idea what is going on
                   (or what is NOT going on) when things go wrong.

                   The result is that the amount of money paid is more than
                   it would have cost to employ a competent and experienced
                   professional.  The equation is:

                        (  Canned_Apps_Cost + Downtime_Cost 
                           + Learning_Curve_Cost
                           + Lost_Opportunity_Cost 
                           + Cost_Of_Low_Wage_Workers )  

                     is much much greater than

                       ( Cost_Of_High_Wage_Workers )

                If there is even a small group of people moving specific
                traditional Unix-based tools (such as radius) to NT, I 
                think that this is likely limited to specific single-purpose
                workstations/severs, and does not imply that anyone is 
                scrapping Sun Ultras, Dec Alphas, SGI boxes, or any of the 
                other usual platforms.  I would guess that "offloading" a 
                specific task that is not a part of the basic 
                mission-critical dataflow to a Win95 or WinNT box is more 
                of a personal choice.

           7)   Just to make things worse, many of the default choices
                for a professional internet site are simply not available
                for (not ported to) platforms like NT, because the
                community of developers/users see no reason to take a
                good tool and expend effort to cram it into a poor 
                platform.  Therefore, people who select platforms like 
                NT are FORCED to buy commercial apps, since they have no 
                other choice.

        As for Dale's question 

                "How can Ascend make money there?" (selling to people 
                who use Unix")

                This is simple.  If Ascend's products are not fully
                compatible with the industry standards (Unix and 
                associated tools), people will SCRAP their Ascends,
                and buy something else that is compatible.  Ascend
                sells hardware.  They live and die by their market
                share, so they are well advised to "bundle" software
                tools that reduce their cost of tech support, and
                freely distribute high-value software that keeps their
                products easy to use.

                If Ascend decided that giving away K56 hardware (in
                order to maintain market share) was a good idea,
                I would expect that I will continue to see free
                upgrades to microcode, and at least the occasional
                software tool, simply to make sure that I do not
                dump Ascend for another vendor.

                As for Ascend's ability to sell me software, all
                I can say is that FIRST, I need bug-free, organized,
                well documented, and bulletproof upgrades to microcode,
                THEN, I will think about buying my tools from them.

        Hey - I charge serious bucks for "wisdom" like the above, and
        people willingly pay it.  But here, I offer it freely to my
        fellow professionals.  Ain't the net neat?

 Rather than "carpe diem", on the Internet, once is wise to "carpe PM"

james fischer                                jfischer@supercollider.com

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